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		<title>By: Nathaniel Salzman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathaniel Salzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2011 21:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t had direct experience with them, but I&#039;d say that your local dealer is a great resource and you&#039;re probably wise to trust their opinion. They&#039;re seeing the intervals at which all their bikes are coming in for service, and if they say a bike is to be avoided, THEY&#039;D KNOW!

The Buddy 50 is a great machine. Were I shopping 50cc, that&#039;s likely what I&#039;d buy. That or the Yamaha C3.

That said, I&#039;m not a fan of the whole 50cc genre except for very particular circumstances (free parking, basically). Otherwise, I think they&#039;re a bad idea. Keep in mind that you&#039;re going to be limited to 34 mph as a TOP SPEED. That&#039;s it. That&#039;s all you get. Totally pegged, that bike will only do 34 mph. So on any road with a speed limit above 25 mph, you will be IN THE WAY. That&#039;s unsafe in my opinion.

Most people buy 50cc scooters because they don&#039;t have to get their motorcycle endorsement. It&#039;s really not that big a deal. It&#039;s so much better, fun and safe (in my opinion) to be on something that can outrun everything around it. The Buddy 125 and up definitely qualifies. You are not safer because your scooter is slow. The faster it goes, the more stable it is. And the way I look at it, if a car is going to run over me, it&#039;s got to catch me first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t had direct experience with them, but I&#8217;d say that your local dealer is a great resource and you&#8217;re probably wise to trust their opinion. They&#8217;re seeing the intervals at which all their bikes are coming in for service, and if they say a bike is to be avoided, THEY&#8217;D KNOW!</p>
<p>The Buddy 50 is a great machine. Were I shopping 50cc, that&#8217;s likely what I&#8217;d buy. That or the Yamaha C3.</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;m not a fan of the whole 50cc genre except for very particular circumstances (free parking, basically). Otherwise, I think they&#8217;re a bad idea. Keep in mind that you&#8217;re going to be limited to 34 mph as a TOP SPEED. That&#8217;s it. That&#8217;s all you get. Totally pegged, that bike will only do 34 mph. So on any road with a speed limit above 25 mph, you will be IN THE WAY. That&#8217;s unsafe in my opinion.</p>
<p>Most people buy 50cc scooters because they don&#8217;t have to get their motorcycle endorsement. It&#8217;s really not that big a deal. It&#8217;s so much better, fun and safe (in my opinion) to be on something that can outrun everything around it. The Buddy 125 and up definitely qualifies. You are not safer because your scooter is slow. The faster it goes, the more stable it is. And the way I look at it, if a car is going to run over me, it&#8217;s got to catch me first.</p>
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		<title>By: Thib</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2011 04:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I wonder what your opinion of the 2011 and current model of the Kymco Agility 50cc. I was at a dealer recently who said that Kymco&#039;s quality has just in the past year really gone downhill and now he &quot;no longer recommends&quot; the Kymco 50cc models at all (even though he is a Kymco dealer!) and instead is steering his customers towards the Genuine Buddy 50cc which he is also an authorised dealer. Have you heard of such problems with Kymco models lately?

Kymco Agility 50cc is about $500 cheaper than the Genuine Buddy 50cc and we were sure the Agility was the model we&#039;d be getting until we visited the dealer and heard this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I wonder what your opinion of the 2011 and current model of the Kymco Agility 50cc. I was at a dealer recently who said that Kymco&#8217;s quality has just in the past year really gone downhill and now he &#8220;no longer recommends&#8221; the Kymco 50cc models at all (even though he is a Kymco dealer!) and instead is steering his customers towards the Genuine Buddy 50cc which he is also an authorised dealer. Have you heard of such problems with Kymco models lately?</p>
<p>Kymco Agility 50cc is about $500 cheaper than the Genuine Buddy 50cc and we were sure the Agility was the model we&#8217;d be getting until we visited the dealer and heard this.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew J. Ellis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew J. Ellis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2011 01:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>awesome article. All the info in one place.  I rode a scooter for the first time in Cozumel and loved it. Now I want one. lol.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>awesome article. All the info in one place.  I rode a scooter for the first time in Cozumel and loved it. Now I want one. lol.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathaniel Salzman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathaniel Salzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 03:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have two small dogs myself (about 20 lbs each) and I wouldn&#039;t put either of them on my Vespa with me. That is, not without a solid, hard-mounted pet carrier that would protect them in the event of a wreck. Would you place a toddler on your lap and ride around at 45 mph? The way I see it, dogs trust us to keep them safe, and I just don&#039;t think that&#039;s possible without taking some very special precautions. I&#039;d be fairly comfortable with a dog in a harness in a side car, but that&#039;d need to be a larger dog than either of mine. 

The thing is, speed isn&#039;t the issue. It&#039;s fall height and abrasion. The impact a dog would take from falling awkwardly at any speed would likely be pretty damaging. Add to that the unforgiving and abrasive nature of road surface and that&#039;s just a recipie for terribly injured dog. You&#039;ve got to make that call for yourself, but I&#039;d never do it with my dogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have two small dogs myself (about 20 lbs each) and I wouldn&#8217;t put either of them on my Vespa with me. That is, not without a solid, hard-mounted pet carrier that would protect them in the event of a wreck. Would you place a toddler on your lap and ride around at 45 mph? The way I see it, dogs trust us to keep them safe, and I just don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s possible without taking some very special precautions. I&#8217;d be fairly comfortable with a dog in a harness in a side car, but that&#8217;d need to be a larger dog than either of mine. </p>
<p>The thing is, speed isn&#8217;t the issue. It&#8217;s fall height and abrasion. The impact a dog would take from falling awkwardly at any speed would likely be pretty damaging. Add to that the unforgiving and abrasive nature of road surface and that&#8217;s just a recipie for terribly injured dog. You&#8217;ve got to make that call for yourself, but I&#8217;d never do it with my dogs.</p>
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		<title>By: katherine</title>
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		<dc:creator>katherine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 03:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any thoughts about pets riding with you? I have less than 5 mile commute, never exceeding 45 mph for which I&#039;m looking at buying a Stella, but would like to take my two small dogs (less than 15lbs)  with me to work. Having read your article, I&#039;m less inclined to consider their riding with me--wouldn&#039;t consider putting them on a motorcycle. Would you consider this a definate no-no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any thoughts about pets riding with you? I have less than 5 mile commute, never exceeding 45 mph for which I&#8217;m looking at buying a Stella, but would like to take my two small dogs (less than 15lbs)  with me to work. Having read your article, I&#8217;m less inclined to consider their riding with me&#8211;wouldn&#8217;t consider putting them on a motorcycle. Would you consider this a definate no-no?</p>
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		<title>By: marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>nice article. well written and very informative. thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice article. well written and very informative. thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: David Reese</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Reese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 00:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enjoyed your overview very much.  Do you have any advice about windshields?  I have a 2007 Vespa GTV with original flyshield.  I have had it up to 70, but much above 50 and wind becomes a real issue.  I wear full-face helmet.  I plan some touring to other states next summer and will install a larger windshield, at least for the trip.  I am tempted to get a cut-down from a full-size Vespa windshield, available from Seattle dealer.  Midsize Vespa windshield is not made for GTV, but there are third party vendors.  I&#039;d prefer to stick with Vespa parts if possible.  Any thoughts?  Many thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enjoyed your overview very much.  Do you have any advice about windshields?  I have a 2007 Vespa GTV with original flyshield.  I have had it up to 70, but much above 50 and wind becomes a real issue.  I wear full-face helmet.  I plan some touring to other states next summer and will install a larger windshield, at least for the trip.  I am tempted to get a cut-down from a full-size Vespa windshield, available from Seattle dealer.  Midsize Vespa windshield is not made for GTV, but there are third party vendors.  I&#8217;d prefer to stick with Vespa parts if possible.  Any thoughts?  Many thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathaniel Salzman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathaniel Salzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 14:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those are both fine scooters, Steve. Of the two, I&#039;m partial to the PGO Metro because it&#039;s 2-stroke and will give you more power than the Jazz. The Honda Metropolitans we have here in the states are adorable little bikes, but they, and their Ruckus brothers, are very underpowered. You can&#039;t go wrong with either and both will be very, very reliable. The one advantage the Honda has over the PGO is that there are likely a lot more Honda dealers around if you ever need service. However, the PGO Metro is a little bit bigger and there are lots of accessories available for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those are both fine scooters, Steve. Of the two, I&#8217;m partial to the PGO Metro because it&#8217;s 2-stroke and will give you more power than the Jazz. The Honda Metropolitans we have here in the states are adorable little bikes, but they, and their Ruckus brothers, are very underpowered. You can&#8217;t go wrong with either and both will be very, very reliable. The one advantage the Honda has over the PGO is that there are likely a lot more Honda dealers around if you ever need service. However, the PGO Metro is a little bit bigger and there are lots of accessories available for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 04:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have been looking at a PGO Metro or Genuine Buddy 50 south of the border and A Honda Jazz I think my american brothers call them Metropolitin&#039;s. any recommendations? My wife is a newbie and wants a sccoter for some practical transportation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have been looking at a PGO Metro or Genuine Buddy 50 south of the border and A Honda Jazz I think my american brothers call them Metropolitin&#8217;s. any recommendations? My wife is a newbie and wants a sccoter for some practical transportation</p>
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		<title>By: Nathaniel Salzman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathaniel Salzman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:53:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Toma,

Finding torque in today&#039;s 50cc scooters is a tall order no matter the wheel size. With emissions standards so much higher these days, the restricted 50cc class bikes are almost all 4T and subsequently pretty weak in the power department. The only 50cc scooter that I&#039;ve heard of being pretty punchy is the SYM Mio. That&#039;s not a big-wheel bike, but it&#039;s something in that class that — especially if de-restricted — should get you around just fine. Bluecat Motors, the local SYM dealer, tells a story about doing errands 2-up on a Mio. That said, the Mio is not a big-wheel scooter.

If you simply &lt;em&gt;must&lt;/em&gt; ride a big-wheel scooter in that size class you&#039;re somewhat stuck with the Kymco People or People S. Both come in a 50cc size, but I&#039;m afraid I can&#039;t testify as to the torque of either. I am told, however, that the People S 50, which is the same chassis as its larger 250cc sibling, is laughably underpowered, even for a 50cc. Aprilia has the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.aprilia.com/en-US/Model/81/SPORTCITY+ONE+50+4t+-+125+4t/Technical.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sportcity One&lt;/a&gt; with 14&quot; wheels, but unfortunately no torque info. One thing you might think about is the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.moto-scoot.net/sachs_madass_50.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sachs MadAss.&lt;/a&gt; It&#039;s sort of a moped on meth and I&#039;m told by reliable sources that the motor is bolt-for-bolt Honda and can be impressively tuned. (I saw one such MadAss at Bluecat Motors in St. Paul earlier this year and must admit, I lusted after it)

But if I may be so bold, if you&#039;re looking for something with some of the charm and character of the Bravo, big wheels, but better power, I&#039;d have to point you toward &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sym-usa.com/line%20up/symba/line_up_symba.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SYM&#039;s newly released Symba.&lt;/a&gt; It&#039;s literally the reincarnation of the iconic Honda Super Cub, just with SYM&#039;s first rate fit and finish. You can get a lot of great information on the Symba from David Harrington&#039;s &lt;em&gt;Just Gotta Scoot&lt;/em&gt; podcast. Search for it on iTunes. It&#039;s a free download and everything you&#039;d ever need to know about the Symba from folks who really know it well. If I had the cash laying around, I&#039;d buy a Symba almost sight unseen. 

Hope that helps!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Toma,</p>
<p>Finding torque in today&#8217;s 50cc scooters is a tall order no matter the wheel size. With emissions standards so much higher these days, the restricted 50cc class bikes are almost all 4T and subsequently pretty weak in the power department. The only 50cc scooter that I&#8217;ve heard of being pretty punchy is the SYM Mio. That&#8217;s not a big-wheel bike, but it&#8217;s something in that class that — especially if de-restricted — should get you around just fine. Bluecat Motors, the local SYM dealer, tells a story about doing errands 2-up on a Mio. That said, the Mio is not a big-wheel scooter.</p>
<p>If you simply <em>must</em> ride a big-wheel scooter in that size class you&#8217;re somewhat stuck with the Kymco People or People S. Both come in a 50cc size, but I&#8217;m afraid I can&#8217;t testify as to the torque of either. I am told, however, that the People S 50, which is the same chassis as its larger 250cc sibling, is laughably underpowered, even for a 50cc. Aprilia has the <a href="http://www.aprilia.com/en-US/Model/81/SPORTCITY+ONE+50+4t+-+125+4t/Technical.aspx" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.aprilia.com/en-US/Model/81/SPORTCITY+ONE+50+4t+-+125+4t/Technical.aspx?referer=');">Sportcity One</a> with 14&#8243; wheels, but unfortunately no torque info. One thing you might think about is the <a href="http://www.moto-scoot.net/sachs_madass_50.php" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.moto-scoot.net/sachs_madass_50.php?referer=');">Sachs MadAss.</a> It&#8217;s sort of a moped on meth and I&#8217;m told by reliable sources that the motor is bolt-for-bolt Honda and can be impressively tuned. (I saw one such MadAss at Bluecat Motors in St. Paul earlier this year and must admit, I lusted after it)</p>
<p>But if I may be so bold, if you&#8217;re looking for something with some of the charm and character of the Bravo, big wheels, but better power, I&#8217;d have to point you toward <a href="http://www.sym-usa.com/line%20up/symba/line_up_symba.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="pageTracker._trackPageview('/outgoing/www.sym-usa.com/line_20up/symba/line_up_symba.html?referer=');">SYM&#8217;s newly released Symba.</a> It&#8217;s literally the reincarnation of the iconic Honda Super Cub, just with SYM&#8217;s first rate fit and finish. You can get a lot of great information on the Symba from David Harrington&#8217;s <em>Just Gotta Scoot</em> podcast. Search for it on iTunes. It&#8217;s a free download and everything you&#8217;d ever need to know about the Symba from folks who really know it well. If I had the cash laying around, I&#8217;d buy a Symba almost sight unseen. </p>
<p>Hope that helps!</p>
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